This segment is an extract from the three-hour group chat with Ko Phanasa and George of the Pageant Empress that was conducted via Zoom last September 1, 2023 at 9 PM EST. On this segment, we discuss the business approach to pageantry by Miss Universe owner and JKN Global head Anne Jakrajutatip (Khun Anne) and Miss Grand International owner Nawat Itsaragrisil - this in the light of JKN Global’s failure to pay in full the $20 million fee to acquire Miss Universe, Miss USA and Miss Teen USA.